How Many Fish in a School Updated
How Many Fish in a School
How many fish in a school
dragon10monster
Fufu
six is minimum for most schooling fish. For smaller fish similar pygmy cories, I'd say 10.
I second this
Fufu
Vishaquatics
clk89
yasha
DoubleDutch
clk89
Similar yasha said noticing how the neon tetras acted happier and mimicked more natural pond motions with a larger grouping.
As far as wild having hundreds of fish together in a schoolhouse. First of all near pet fish we have are not wild there are differences between wild and captive bred including behavior. Take bettas for example the ones that are mostly sold in pet stores are not the wild type. They were bred for their colors, also making them slightly more ambitious and so the wild type.
Secondly near don't have the tank size to put in hundreds of i school. and if they tried in a pocket-size tank their fish would probably be pretty unhealthy and unhappy.
DoubleDutch
Information technology is probably based on ascertainment. People who noticed that hey my schooling fish acts really stressed, but when I added such north' such amount of other fish of the same type he didn't act every bit stressed.Similar yasha said noticing how the neon tetras acted happier and mimicked more natural swimming motions with a larger group.
As far every bit wild having hundreds of fish together in a school. First of all most pet fish we have are non wild there are differences between wild and captive bred including behavior. Take bettas for example the ones that are mostly sold in pet stores are not the wild type. They were bred for their colors, also making them slightly more than aggressive then the wild type.
Secondly most don't have the tank size to put in hundreds of one school. and if they tried in a small tank their fish would probably be pretty unhealthy and unhappy.
Oh I agree with schooling fish existence happier in a schoolhouse. Just asking myself who came up with 6 ?
I've one tank with 25 C.venezuelan and I know they are much happier in such a "herd" than being lonely.
I disagree almost fish are convict bred and that at that place is a difference in wild / captive bred on this point. A schooling fish is a schooling fish.
Offcourse I understand it is impossible and not a good idea to continue hundreds of fish (wished I could) but over again I was asking myself where the effigy 6 came from.
yasha
In the wild theirs more room and more than predators then they need lager numbers. It the same group of wild fish in a smaller pound with no predators they may non stay in as big of schools.
Equally for where 6 came from I could come up upwards with a few ideas only there just ideas. Like clk was getting at it possibly that someone convenance/selling/writing info on them added a few to the tank till they stopped hiding and chosen it adept. After that person told stores/clubs/people or put it in a book people saw it as needed info and it simply by on from there. Some info even false info can spread fast and I'm guessing at one bespeak or another we have all got info from a place we believed to be right for years pasting information technology on to observe out it was incorrect downwardly the route. I know my BF has constitute out a few things he learned in school a few years back is not correct and that'due south somewhere people are trained to trust info from.
nikm128
PeteStevers
Yous can plug in your tank size, filtration and fish and at the bottom, it will give you a ballpark stocking percentage.
bizaliz3
Here is what says almost your 29 gallon with ONLY the common pleco and nothing else:
"Recommended water change schedule: 87% per week. (You might want to split this water modify schedule to two dissever 63% per week)
Your aquarium stocking level is 131%"
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Tiger barbs.What kind of barbs? Usually 6 is the minimum for a school
I know I demand to re-habitation the pleco. I knew I was going to re-home him before I could get anymore fish. I just needed to know the max number of fish for a 29 gallon, and I know won't max out the number. I know what things not to exercise until I do the things I need to do. I was thinking of but having all neon tetras in that tank. What exercise y'all retrieve?I would not add together any more fish to your tank until you rehome the 7 inch common pleco. You lot have enough of a bioload as it is.Hither is what says well-nigh your 29 gallon with Only the common pleco and cypher else:
"Recommended water change schedule: 87% per calendar week. (You might want to split this h2o change schedule to two separate 63% per week)
Your aquarium stocking level is 131%"
nikm128
That would be really nice actually, you could probably do at least 20I was thinking of only having all neon tetras in that tank. What exercise y'all think?
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nikm128
bizaliz3
Yes and with the contrast between blue and green decor.
To exist honest...It doesn't wait like you really do program to rehome the pleco. So if we are going to talk décor....you lot really need to become driftwood and likewise build a cavern or two for the guy so he can actually hibernate and exist comfortable. You lot also need to buy nutrient for him rather than having him live off of algae and scraps.
I will stop pushing yous about getting rid of the pleco, but at the very least...delight accept some fourth dimension to research his needs and give him the best environment you tin despite the small tank size.
MOVING ON!!! As for adding fish AFTER rehoming the pleco, I personally find ane school of fish in a 29 gallon to be most advisable. People say the minimum for schooling fish is 6. I think that is silly. They schoolhouse in the hundreds in the wild. So in my opinion. Keeping two schools of six fish, is putting the fishkeeper'due south desire for diversity above the all-time involvement of the fish.
With that existence said, I suggest a big school of neons if that is what you adopt, rather than two modest schools of different fish. In a 29g, I'd say as many as 20 neons if they are the only middle swimmers.
Ferretlady
Your pleco DOES demand to be FED more than once a month!!! I don't give a flying flip what your "expert" says -- you need to FEED that poor fish! He does NOT live off of his own poop & the other fishs' poop, like your so-called "practiced" claims he does! I'k sorry, just that is flat-out downright calumniating and cruel & it simply boils my blood. Only because he is still ALIVE, does not mean that yous're non mistreating him past non feeding him. Yous shouldn't even take a common pleco in your tank at all, but you've known that for many months at present....
Your cories did not dice from "too much circulation" because yous put an air pump that said it was suitable for a 10-30 gallon tank in your ten-gallon tank. The earlier red-eye tetras or barbs or rasboras or ?? didn't dice because you moved your decor around in your tank (I don't remember which fish you said died because of that, there are too many deaths/illnesses to keep rail of at this indicate...) I guess that was your "vi-twelvemonth-expert" once more, who told you that rearranging your decorations would kill your fish?? When an "expert" tells you not to feed a fish for an entire month, that information technology will alive off of eating information technology's own poop, and you *believe* that... I shudder to think what else this "skillful" has told you, that y'all take believed & based your actions on....
But certain - go correct ahead & go the "maximum number" of fish you tin can put into your tank without changing how y'all do things - and a couple weeks from now, we'll probably see you posting about some disease, or why did one of my fish dice, or whatever....
15324bbb
Thank you I'll attempt to keep the pleco comfortable until I re-homed him deplorable I didn't do it sooner. Would corydoras exist more than convenient for the tank size? If so how many? I don't plan on getting more than fish until these get re-domicile or pass on. But it'south good to have a program in mind.To be honest...It doesn't look like you really practice plan to rehome the pleco. And so if nosotros are going to talk décor....you really need to get driftwood and also build a cave or two for the guy and so he can actually hide and be comfortable. Y'all also demand to buy nutrient for him rather than having him live off of algae and scraps.I will stop pushing you lot near getting rid of the pleco, only at the very least...delight take some fourth dimension to inquiry his needs and give him the best environment you can despite the minor tank size.
MOVING ON!!! As for adding fish Later rehoming the pleco, I personally notice 1 schoolhouse of fish in a 29 gallon to be about appropriate. People say the minimum for schooling fish is half-dozen. I think that is giddy. They school in the hundreds in the wild. Then in my opinion. Keeping two schools of 6 fish, is putting the fishkeeper's want for variety to a higher place the all-time interest of the fish.
With that existence said, I suggest a large school of neons if that is what you prefer, rather than 2 small-scale schools of different fish. In a 29g, I'd say equally many as twenty neons if they are the only middle swimmers.
Okay..here are some explainations and answers to these questions for you lot. Showtime I USED to become my fish at Walmart that explains why there WERE most of these disease and infections. second I stooped listening to that "Expert" long ago, I feed my pleco lots of veggies and alge wafers and whatever other suggestions that people requite me, almost every day I feed him. Tertiary I wasn't Going to get anymore fish until these live out at that place lives please I've learned my lesson on buying fish ane later on another. And your misunderstanding the maximum fish range I wanted to know the limit so I can stay WAY under the limit. At to the lowest degree I know I tin't and won't be able to handle a common pleco and understanding I Volition accept to re-home him one way or another. Only cut some slack till so and terminate choking me with the slack you accept. Don't fanaticise what you call back I have done to that pleco, a few days subsequently he gave that "advice" I double checked on the internet of how much a pleco should accept and started feeding him like I am now. I'm no expert but I will appreciate the experts not to think Little of starters. We all 1 way or another take done stupid things in the aquarium hobby. Nigh of them probably happened when we were starting the hobby. Just when y'all're giving me pointers on the fish hobby try to keep the hot sauce out of it.I think you lot demand to but stop & figure out what is going wrong with your tank consistently before you go putting More than fish in there. Yous have had constant ongoing problems with one illness subsequently another afterward another for months at present, 1 batch of fish dies, yous just become get more. Yous've been taking advice from some "six-twelvemonth-fish-expert" who frankly, is full of horse-puckey & doesn't know what they're talking most...Your pleco DOES need to be FED more than once a month!!! I don't give a flying flip what your "expert" says -- you need to FEED that poor fish! He does Not live off of his own poop & the other fishs' poop, like your so-called "skilful" claims he does! I'm deplorable, just that is flat-out downright abusive and fell & it just boils my blood. Merely because he is still Live, does not mean that yous're not mistreating him by not feeding him. You shouldn't even take a common pleco in your tank at all, simply you lot've known that for many months now....
Your cories did not dice from "too much circulation" considering y'all put an air pump that said it was suitable for a x-30 gallon tank in your 10-gallon tank. The earlier reddish-centre tetras or barbs or rasboras or ?? didn't die because you moved your decor around in your tank (I don't recall which fish yous said died because of that, there are too many deaths/illnesses to keep track of at this bespeak...) I estimate that was your "6-year-adept" once again, who told you that rearranging your decorations would kill your fish?? When an "adept" tells y'all not to feed a fish for an unabridged month, that information technology will live off of eating it's own poop, and you *believe* that... I shudder to retrieve what else this "expert" has told you, that you accept believed & based your actions on....
Only sure - go right alee & get the "maximum number" of fish yous tin put into your tank without changing how yous do things - and a couple weeks from at present, nosotros'll probably see you lot posting nigh some disease, or why did i of my fish die, or whatever....
nikm128
If you desire to do a super light stock, I would pick your favorite blazon of neon and then do a school of 10I wanted to know the limit so I can stay Mode under the limit.
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nikm128
bizaliz3
I don't programme on getting more fish until these get re-home or pass on. But information technology's practiced to have a plan in listen.
Laissez passer on? You do realize a common pleco can live x-fifteen years in captivity when given proper care? Even more than that in the wild.
And then...if you don't rehome him....you lot're non getting any more than fish until a few years after you lot are out of college. And you haven't even striking loftier school yet.
But giving you lot a little perspective.
e_watson09
10g - Get out the neons in here for at present. Get a school of about 6. Its a little cramped in terms of space but I think they'll be better off away from the tiger barbs
29g - 8-x tiger barbs and so perchance a school of danios (NOT LONGFIN) and peradventure a platy or ii. The bigger the group of tigers the less aggressive they generally are. Neons are just a super docile fish that I personally wouldn't put them with the tigers long term especially since they'd be competing for the same tank space.
I'd rehome the pleco to the LFS, you could always consider one of the varieties that stay smaller down the route simply for now I'd stay without any algae eaters I call back cories wouldn't be a good choice for the tiger barbs, they may be okay in a bigger tank but I tigers can but exist so temperamental in smaller tanks I don't call back it is worth the risk.
If you just programme on ane tank it may be a adept idea to reconsider the fish you have. Perchance up the school of neons and trade in the tiger barbs for reddish barbs or something much more than peaceful.
15324bbb
I think the true neons would be best pick. and poor fish was he in a torture chamber?Certain affair, take a wait at this to get an idea of what you lot want: I personally like black neons the most. Also I have no thought why they used a picture of such a deformed fish for the longfin tetra (second one) they should non look that aptitude at all. This is the most curve you should accept in them IMO : If its back or tail is more bent than that picture, walk away.
Hahaha I know lol the pass on part was for the tiger barbs loo.it would be funny to show your friends (I have no friends) a 130 gallon tank with a 16 inch pleco and come across the startled wait on there face hehahe. But xv years? So I would be umm 29 by the time he "passes on lol" just I will re-habitation him as quick as possible.Pass on? Yous practise realize a mutual pleco tin can live x-15 years in captivity when given proper intendance? Even more that in the wild.So...if you don't rehome him....you're not getting any more fish until a few years after y'all are out of college. And you haven't even hit high school even so.
But giving you a little perspective.
yeah I think I'll re-habitation the tigers and the pleco. I'll probably have a community tank but with different kind of tetras. I agree with what your maxim about how I should just re-habitation I'chiliad non equipped or experienced enough to keep him.Personally I don't like tiger barbs in anything smaller than like a 55g, they are just nippy little things and the extra space is extremely helpful. So here'due south what I'd do in the mean time, assuming y'all're keeping both tanks running.10g - Leave the neons in here for at present. Get a school of about 6. Its a piffling cramped in terms of infinite simply I think they'll be better off away from the tiger barbs
29g - eight-10 tiger barbs and then maybe a school of danios (Not LONGFIN) and possibly a platy or 2. The bigger the grouping of tigers the less aggressive they generally are. Neons are just a super docile fish that I personally wouldn't put them with the tigers long term peculiarly since they'd be competing for the same tank infinite.
I'd rehome the pleco to the LFS, you could ever consider one of the varieties that stay smaller downwardly the road but for now I'd stay without whatsoever algae eaters I think cories wouldn't exist a expert choice for the tiger barbs, they may exist okay in a bigger tank but I tigers tin merely be so temperamental in smaller tanks I don't think it is worth the take a chance.
If yous only programme on 1 tank information technology may be a expert idea to reconsider the fish you have. Peradventure up the school of neons and trade in the tiger barbs for cherry barbs or something much more peaceful.
bizaliz3
But 15 years? So I would be umm 29 by the time he "passes on lol" but I will re-dwelling him as quick as possible.
yes, equally long as the pleco is being cared for properly, it absolutely can live that long. Which is my point exactly. If you want to savor a fish tank every bit a teenager at home, you need to rehome that pleco. Otherwise you lot are stuck with him until you are married with children in your own dwelling!! haha (assuming you actually requite him proper intendance)
It shouldn't be that difficult to rehome him. You lot should immediately contact a local fish store or pet shop that carries fish. (not a chain similar petsmart or petco) and see if they tin accept him for y'all. Many will. You tin can as well list him for "costless to a expert home" on craigslist and he might be swooped up right away. Or local facebook fish groups. I come across information technology all the time. Common plecos needing rehoming. And mostly, they are swooped upwardly quick. People with huge tanks don't want to purchase a tiny common pleco at the store. So they demand to find bigger ones from people like you who should accept never gotten ane in the first place. haha
Become moving daughter! The sooner you do, the sooner y'all tin can outset actually enjoying your new 29 gallon tank. (and the sooner you become me off your back hahaha)
Elkwatcher
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the good thing is that all the local (30 mins away from everything both means) Walmarts aren't selling fish anymore and instead put more fish intendance products so no more ill fish for me and no more than abused fish from Walmart. Upward oh the barbs are sparing each other lol. I agree with all yous said in this quote.yes, as long as the pleco is being cared for properly, it absolutely can live that long. Which is my point exactly. If yous want to enjoy a fish tank every bit a teenager at dwelling house, you need to rehome that pleco. Otherwise you are stuck with him until you are married with children in your ain dwelling!! haha (assuming yous really give him proper care)It shouldn't exist that hard to rehome him. You should immediately contact a local fish store or pet store that carries fish. (non a chain like petsmart or petco) and run into if they tin take him for you lot. Many will. You lot tin also list him for "free to a good domicile" on craigslist and he might be swooped up right away. Or local facebook fish groups. I see it all the time. Common plecos needing rehoming. And more often than not, they are swooped up quick. People with huge tanks don't desire to purchase a tiny common pleco at the store. And so they need to find bigger ones from people like you who should have never gotten one in the first identify. haha
Get moving girl! The sooner you do, the sooner you tin can start really enjoying your new 29 gallon tank. (and the sooner you lot become me off your back hahaha)
Ok! Last time I didn't get safe start that put bacteria in to bike my tank aaaaaannnd......"NEW Post: why are my fish dying and why is information technology clouding!?? New message from future y'all: the cloudyness is from leaner blooming and your fish are dying because of the ammonia spikes during the cycle which is like toxicant to them. New message from dumb past me: That doesn't fix my problem....." Yes.I concord with e_watson09...wouldn't mix Tiger Barbs with gentle Neons. Y'all need to have the time to enquiry the compatibility of your fish for temperament, temperature, and general environs if you want them to survive and give y'all enjoyment! Neons are sensitive, brand sure your new tank is truly cycled ok?
Here are the neons I have now the Affront kept trying to photo flop the pick...you tin see his tail in the middle correct lol.
Sometimes the barbs and the neons school together lol
Elkwatcher
bizaliz3
Sometimes the barbs and the neons school together lol
That is not schooling. That is stressed fish hanging out most each other (and the very minimal cover in your tank) for comfort.
Only being almost each other is not schooling. Schooling is a group of one fish species all pond in one direction.
Fish of the same species hanging out for social reasons are shoaling fish.
Schooling/shoaling fish of dissimilar species hanging out together....its not schooling or shoaling. It's usually just a matter of taking what they tin become. Often due to stress.
15324bbb
I'g just going to re-habitation the tiger barbs and the pleco and get 15 neon tetras (gradually and slowly) for the tank information technology seems like a good plan. What exercise you think?
Ferretlady
Don't fanaticise what you think I have done to that pleco, a few days afterward he gave that "advice" I double checked on the net of how much a pleco should have and started feeding him like I am now.
You told us yourself on some other thread just four or five days or so ago, how very poorly you were feeding your pleco while he was still in your 10-gallon tank, before you put him in your new tank over the weekend. No "fanaticising" here on that account, my statements were solely based on what you lot told the states only a few days ago.
So be information technology-- that beingness said - if y'all take started feeding him appropriately since you put him in the 29-gal tank, that's nifty! It does bring on some new issues though - you lot will demand to exist monitoring your water parameters very carefully right now, check your levels frequently, as you are very likely to be getting heavy ammonia spikes if the pleco is getting the correct amount of food now. Your old filter is minor for the tank to begin with, and the bacteria in your filter is not going to be able to handle your current level of ammonia, you're getting a huge increase in ammonia in your h2o over the manner information technology was previously in your 10-gallon tank & it's going to take a while for the bacteria to catch upwardly.
So, you're going to need to keep a very close centre on your water & exercise frequent semi-heavy water changes & vacuum well every time to help reduce waste that volition break down & cause more than ammonia, until the bacteria can finally catch up (or until you rehome the pleco) Ammonia tin kill your fish, so information technology's something to take seriously & something to be doing correct away, not several days from now. Adding Prime number to your water tin aid detox some ammonia (upwards to 1ppm I retrieve information technology is), merely it won't be plenty to handle the amount of ammonia you're getting right at present (if y'all are feeding the pleco the right amount of food) Cheque your water at to the lowest degree every other day if non daily, change out a good percentage every other twenty-four hours, if non daily, to keep the ammonia in cheque & vacuum with every h2o change. Adding some other filter would be helpful too - though information technology would still have some bit of fourth dimension until you have enough bacteria to process the new surge of ammonia y'all're getting now. You lot're pretty much kinda going through cycling your tank all over once again -- simply this fourth dimension, your fish are living in it & due to the 7" pleco, you've got a very heavy bioload for that size tank, so you need to exist actress diligent with your maintenance routine right now, so that your fish aren't injured or fifty-fifty killed while the wheel builds up to handle the new load.
While all this is going on, get on the brawl & become ahead & accept activity to find a new home for the pleco - if you'd put ads out and/or talked to places when you initially said you were going to rehome him, he'd probably already exist gone now. Not getting onto y'all, only saying... become ahead & *do* it, rather than just talking about it. I know it's not easy - and then get it over with & become it behind y'all & then you can relax and move forrard & try to non brand the same mistakes in the future. Once the pleco has gone to another abode, you could probably do good from one terminal heavy-ish h2o modify & bank check your parameters in one case again to make sure all is OK, and then you tin can tiresome back down to "normal pace" on the water changes & vacuums once it's only your barbs in the tank, until you find new homes for them, if you're wanting to rehome them besides.
Your idea with the neons sounds prissy. Give some idea to deciding on your new fish, even neons or barbs have respectable lifespans, if cared for properly, so your new fish could be with yous for iii-v years if given good intendance - recollect it over well & get what you actually truly want the very most, and that you won't tire of them & want something different 6 months from now.
DoubleDutch
Why ? Those are three dissimilar species.You could do a mix of normal, green, and black neons.
Decent schoolhouse of ane is better by far.
Realise Tigers can get nasty towards other fish if / when not kept in the right conditions.
nikm128
True, I was typing faster than I was thinking. I did change that and tell OP to just pick their favorite type of neon and stick to that ane.Why ? Those are 3 unlike species.
Decent school of ane is better by far.
15324bbb
Yep, yesterday I got safe start and got this called cleaning leaner for my tank. Also I just re-homed Mr pleco today congrats to me. Still working on re-homing the barbs though.Yous told us yourself on another thread just 4 or 5 days or so ago, how very poorly you were feeding your pleco while he was still in your ten-gallon tank, before you put him in your new tank over the weekend. No "fanaticising" here on that business relationship, my statements were solely based on what you told us just a few days ago.So be information technology-- that beingness said - if you accept started feeding him appropriately since you put him in the 29-gal tank, that's great! Information technology does bring on some new issues though - you lot will need to be monitoring your water parameters very carefully right now, check your levels oftentimes, every bit you are very likely to be getting heavy ammonia spikes if the pleco is getting the right amount of food now. Your old filter is small for the tank to begin with, and the bacteria in your filter is not going to be able to handle your current level of ammonia, you're getting a huge increase in ammonia in your water over the way information technology was previously in your ten-gallon tank & it's going to accept a while for the bacteria to catch up.
So, you're going to need to keep a very close eye on your water & exercise frequent semi-heavy h2o changes & vacuum well every fourth dimension to help reduce waste that will suspension downwardly & cause more ammonia, until the bacteria can finally take hold of upwardly (or until you rehome the pleco) Ammonia tin kill your fish, so it's something to have seriously & something to be doing correct abroad, non several days from now. Adding Prime to your water can help detox some ammonia (up to 1ppm I recall information technology is), but it won't exist enough to handle the amount of ammonia y'all're getting correct now (if you lot are feeding the pleco the correct corporeality of food) Check your water at least every other day if not daily, change out a good percentage every other twenty-four hours, if not daily, to keep the ammonia in cheque & vacuum with every h2o change. Calculation another filter would be helpful too - though it would still take some bit of time until you have enough bacteria to procedure the new surge of ammonia you're getting at present. Y'all're pretty much kinda going through cycling your tank all over once again -- only this time, your fish are living in it & due to the vii" pleco, y'all've got a very heavy bioload for that size tank, so you lot need to be extra diligent with your maintenance routine right at present, so that your fish aren't injured or even killed while the cycle builds up to handle the new load.
While all this is going on, get on the ball & get ahead & take activeness to find a new home for the pleco - if yous'd put ads out and/or talked to places when you initially said you were going to rehome him, he'd probably already be gone now. Not getting onto you, just maxim... get ahead & *exercise* information technology, rather than only talking about it. I know it's not easy - then become it over with & go it behind you & then you can relax and motility forrard & endeavor to not brand the same mistakes in the future. In one case the pleco has gone to another abode, you could probably benefit from ane final heavy-ish water change & bank check your parameters once again to make sure all is OK, then yous can wearisome dorsum down to "normal pace" on the h2o changes & vacuums once it's only your barbs in the tank, until yous notice new homes for them, if you're wanting to rehome them as well.
Your idea with the neons sounds nice. Give some thought to deciding on your new fish, even neons or barbs have respectable lifespans, if cared for properly, so your new fish could be with you for 3-5 years if given good care - think it over well & become what you really truly want the very most, and that you won't tire of them & want something different vi months from at present.
nikm128
bizaliz3
Yeah, yesterday I got prophylactic start and got this called cleaning bacteria for my tank. Too I but re-homed Mr pleco today congrats to me. Nevertheless working on re-homing the barbs though.
Crawly! Where did you lot end upward rehoming him to?
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